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The short answer: Mary Sue is the author’s idealized self-insert. (If you want to know alllll about Mary Sue, including the history and origins of the term, TV Tropes has your back. Also, if you aren’t careful, your mind and soul. Pack a lunch.) A Mary Sue story is one that primarily features a Mary Sue.

The slightly longer answer: That story you used to tell yourself, about the awesome girl who was totally pretty and everyone liked her and she maybe had magic powers and also like fifteen skills that you wished you did and also her hair never did that, you know, THAT THING your hair always does? And she was in your favorite fictional (or real person fictional) world, and all the characters or people that you loved the most loved her, and she married them or solved their problems or saved them or made them awesome food or held them when they cried? That story was a Mary Sue story, and that girl was a Mary Sue. Sometimes people write those stories down and post them. (AND THAT IS FINE.) Often the stories have limited appeal beyond the author and maybe her friends. (BUT THAT IS ALSO FINE.)

The “Sorry, you kind of touched a nerve” answer: While we can all identify our own Mary Sues, even if we’ve never written them down, people tend to spend a lot of time figuring out if other people have maybe written a Mary Sue, and checking every female character for potential Mary Sueism. In fandom times of old, the letters “OC” (original character) in a story header were a giant flag that meant Potential Bad Story Here, and the letters “OFC” (original female character) were translated as Guaranteed Bad Story Here. So people mostly stopped putting original female characters in their fan fiction.

But that couldn’t stop the inexorable progression of the Mary Sue Hunt. Canon female characters in fan fiction became the focus of intense scrutiny. Is this character being, perhaps, idealized? Is she better than she should be?

It was surprising how often she was better than she should be.

I mean, it’s one thing if we write John Sheppard being brilliant and solving a Millennium Problem while being extra super badass and a sharpshooter and extremely hot and having a troubled past and also he can play the piano and small children love him and he rides a horse. It’s one thing if we write Stiles as a badass motherfucker who can hack and do MMA and make small explosive devices and he saves everyone, and also it turns out he’s a surprisingly sexually skilled virgin, and also there’s this scene where he wears skintight leather and he has two boot knives. It is fine to write those things. (AND IT IS.) You could give Sheppard’s horse a telepathic soulbond with him and have Stiles elected president of universe (because he is awesome), and you’d still potentially have a significant and delighted readership. (WHICH IS ALSO FINE. Who doesn’t sometimes like a President Awesome with a Psychic Horse story? Give Sidney Crosby a psychic horse and you’ve got my click.) That’s just having fun and extrapolating from the canon. (Or, in the case of the telepathic soulbonding horse, it’s a crossover. From real actual published original fiction. And people call us strange.)

But if a female character does one of those things in fan fiction, she’s declared a potential Mary Sue. It’s out of character, it’s over the top, it’s wish fulfillment (as if there’s something wrong with wish fulfillment), it’s a self-insert. And that. That is less fine with me. 

And the Mary Sue Problem is not limited to fan fiction. Turns out Mary Sues are also surprisingly prevalent in the canon itself! A tiny sample of the female characters I have heard described as Mary Sues:

• Hermione Granger
• Nyota Uhura
• Natasha Romanov
• Haruno Sakura
• Rose Tyler
• Bella Swann
• Katniss Everdeen
• Buffy Summers

Basically, think of any female character who gets more than eighteen lines, from any popular canon. Someone has called her a Mary Sue. Because she’s competent, because she’s smart, because she’s talented. Because she can do stuff, or because she tries to. Because she loves someone, or because someone loves her. Because she thinks she’s interesting. Because the author thinks we should care about her.

Mary Sue, in short, has become another way of dismissing female characters. Of telling women that we can’t be awesome. Of drawing the line between people who do (dudes) and people who are done to (ladies). Yet another entry in the long list of All the Unacceptable Female Characters. Yet another way of viciously scrutinizing every woman, real or imaginary, and either finding her excessively flawed (and therefore terrible) or excessively without flaw (and therefore terrible).

And also, of course, if the author of the Mary Sue story is a fan fiction writer, we make fun of her.

Which is why my actual definition of the term Mary Sue is: it’s a phrase that is useful for describing a certain common tendency in fan fiction that, taken to an extreme, is often pretty repetitive and uninteresting (but not, let me note, actually criminal or anything). Unfortunately, it has, over time, warped into a tool for knocking down ladies who write, and also other ladies, so I’m trying to learn not to use it any more. (But that is hard. Because see above about usefulness. Almost everyone has dreamed up at least one or two of these, and it’s so nice to have a name for them!)

This is a beautiful explanation of why I hate the term “Mary Sue” like I hate fire ant sandwiches.

Same.

Omg I was just trying to think of a way to describe the Jon Snow of the show… I was trying to think of the term for a male Mary Sue… Then I realised I didn’t know it…Then I realised there probably isn’t one.
Can I suggest ‘John Sue"? Jon Snow, John Sue… Kinda like John Doe but about a male Mary Sue. Geddit?

Gary Stu is a term that gets thrown around for a male Mary Sue, as well as Marty Stu. But honestly, that criticism is so rarely lobbied at male characters it’s small wonder we even have a name for it at all. Perfect male characters are “chosen ones”, after all. 

Also, I concur with all of this. Too often it is used in a sexist manner to decry any competent female character as ‘unrealistic’. I hate it.

Ah I’d never been introduced to Gary Stu. I’m going to use it more often now. I find both Gary and Mary can be equally annoying in anything other than fanfiction (often even then I can’t quite stomach them but they’re even more frustrating in canon).

Just to try it out:

John Snow (in GOT) is a Gary Stu.
Tyrion Lannister (in GOT) is the ULTIMATE Gary Stu.
I’d say their version of Arya was a bit of a Mary Sue… But then they kinda turned her into a sadistic psychopath so…

Very annoying in fanfiction, but not limited to it for sure! D&D have a habit of making their white male leads into Gary Stus and Nice Guys. Jorah Mormont being in lurrrve and so nice and not a creepy stalker at all for example.

Good ol’ St. Tyrion Lannister, the Gary Stuiest (Stuest?) of them all.

Show!Arya is definitely Not Like Other Girls. She’s better, because she fights things and calls girls stupid (*SIGH* I do not like Show! Arya). 

Proposing the radical notion that we should call a male Mary Sue….. a Mary Sue.